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		<title>By: Dede @ Clutch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dede @ Clutch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rachel/Tomi(same person since it&#039;s the same IP address) I, Dede wrote the message from Clutch.  Please forgive me for writing country instead of continent - as I was in a rush to answer.  

Again, we removed the title one day after the article went up (which is almost two weeks ago now) and if we haven&#039;t said it - we are SORRY if it offended anyone. Time we received the comments I removed it.  

I said &quot;wow&quot; - cause I honestly didn&#039;t know it was a problem to use the word. Not &quot;wow&quot; in a negative way.

I can&#039;t go back and forth defending Clutch when we have already acknowledged our error and I also agree with your comment you made with your other user name &quot;Tomi&quot; - we (Clutch) are not above error and we are THANKFUL our readers call us out and school us on things we do not know about.  Thanks again for your comments and you can be assured that we will be more careful with our use of wording.

If anyone would like to continue this conversation please feel free to email me&lt;strong&gt; @   dsutton@clutchmagonline.com&lt;/strong&gt;.

Thanks. Comments are now closed.


Dede</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rachel/Tomi(same person since it&#8217;s the same IP address) I, Dede wrote the message from Clutch.  Please forgive me for writing country instead of continent &#8211; as I was in a rush to answer.  </p>
<p>Again, we removed the title one day after the article went up (which is almost two weeks ago now) and if we haven&#8217;t said it &#8211; we are SORRY if it offended anyone. Time we received the comments I removed it.  </p>
<p>I said &#8220;wow&#8221; &#8211; cause I honestly didn&#8217;t know it was a problem to use the word. Not &#8220;wow&#8221; in a negative way.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t go back and forth defending Clutch when we have already acknowledged our error and I also agree with your comment you made with your other user name &#8220;Tomi&#8221; &#8211; we (Clutch) are not above error and we are THANKFUL our readers call us out and school us on things we do not know about.  Thanks again for your comments and you can be assured that we will be more careful with our use of wording.</p>
<p>If anyone would like to continue this conversation please feel free to email me<strong> @   <a href="mailto:dsutton@clutchmagonline.com">dsutton@clutchmagonline.com</a></strong>.</p>
<p>Thanks. Comments are now closed.</p>
<p>Dede</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://clutchmagonline.com/fashion/tribal-chic-designers-to-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-25553</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Clutch 

&quot; Wow. The use of the word is not in anyway negative.&quot;   
 When it refers to a continent as opposed to an actual tribe...Wow, it is!

&quot; We felt that some of the lines had some tribal elements. Meaning prints and patterns&quot;
Really! Which tribes are those?

&quot;We would never use any words or anything to down Africa or any other country.&quot; 
um....Africa isnt a country.

We all love Clutch and applaud your efforts and no one assumes that you would ever try to diss a whole continent, but it is important to bring your actions inline with your intentions.

Aside from that the designers are great and this little debate hasnt taken away from their fabulous work in anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Clutch </p>
<p>&#8221; Wow. The use of the word is not in anyway negative.&#8221;<br />
 When it refers to a continent as opposed to an actual tribe&#8230;Wow, it is!</p>
<p>&#8221; We felt that some of the lines had some tribal elements. Meaning prints and patterns&#8221;<br />
Really! Which tribes are those?</p>
<p>&#8220;We would never use any words or anything to down Africa or any other country.&#8221;<br />
um&#8230;.Africa isnt a country.</p>
<p>We all love Clutch and applaud your efforts and no one assumes that you would ever try to diss a whole continent, but it is important to bring your actions inline with your intentions.</p>
<p>Aside from that the designers are great and this little debate hasnt taken away from their fabulous work in anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Elisa</title>
		<link>http://clutchmagonline.com/fashion/tribal-chic-designers-to-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-25531</link>
		<dc:creator>Elisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 02:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The designers in the article are beautiful!  Great great picks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The designers in the article are beautiful!  Great great picks.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi</title>
		<link>http://clutchmagonline.com/fashion/tribal-chic-designers-to-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-25527</link>
		<dc:creator>Tomi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 02:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its frustrating that whenever someone calls out something questionable on this site everyone shrieks &quot;haters&quot;. The writers of Clutch are NOT above correction and a readers comment might serve to educate them as well as the rest of us which is hardly a bad thing.

*steps down from soapbox*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its frustrating that whenever someone calls out something questionable on this site everyone shrieks &#8220;haters&#8221;. The writers of Clutch are NOT above correction and a readers comment might serve to educate them as well as the rest of us which is hardly a bad thing.</p>
<p>*steps down from soapbox*</p>
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		<title>By: Tomi</title>
		<link>http://clutchmagonline.com/fashion/tribal-chic-designers-to-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-25526</link>
		<dc:creator>Tomi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 02:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have looked at those pieces over and over and cant find anything remotely tribal about them in the fabric or in the line. All the silhouettes are western and the &quot;african&quot; fabric is Dutch wax that doesnt relate to any tribe in any way.

 Vogue using the term &quot;tribal&quot; when describing clothes with any &quot;african&quot; references doesnt give everyone else a green light to be ignorant and despite Yvette pointing out that there are so many tribes in the world Vogue ONLY uses that term when referring to Africa. (their other favourite euphemism is &quot;safari chic&quot;).

 The term is offensive for the same reason that it is offensive for a fashion spread with a black model to ALWAYS be deemed &quot;Ghetto Fabulous&quot; and Michelle Obama has to be a &quot;Baby-mama&quot; because she is black. There was a time when Nigger was a &quot; word that MOST Americans would see nothing wrong with&quot; but that didnt mean it wasnt offensive to the people on the receiving end who fought to be recognised as human beings

@Yvette, what really gets ME mad is the rude, ignorant, dismissive and prejudiced way you get your point across and I&#039;d like to reassure Sonique that you do not speak for ALL African-Americans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have looked at those pieces over and over and cant find anything remotely tribal about them in the fabric or in the line. All the silhouettes are western and the &#8220;african&#8221; fabric is Dutch wax that doesnt relate to any tribe in any way.</p>
<p> Vogue using the term &#8220;tribal&#8221; when describing clothes with any &#8220;african&#8221; references doesnt give everyone else a green light to be ignorant and despite Yvette pointing out that there are so many tribes in the world Vogue ONLY uses that term when referring to Africa. (their other favourite euphemism is &#8220;safari chic&#8221;).</p>
<p> The term is offensive for the same reason that it is offensive for a fashion spread with a black model to ALWAYS be deemed &#8220;Ghetto Fabulous&#8221; and Michelle Obama has to be a &#8220;Baby-mama&#8221; because she is black. There was a time when Nigger was a &#8221; word that MOST Americans would see nothing wrong with&#8221; but that didnt mean it wasnt offensive to the people on the receiving end who fought to be recognised as human beings</p>
<p>@Yvette, what really gets ME mad is the rude, ignorant, dismissive and prejudiced way you get your point across and I&#8217;d like to reassure Sonique that you do not speak for ALL African-Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: the Clubbin Discazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>the Clubbin Discazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like it! and as an African Man.. I say f&amp;++ck it! Tribal is the exact word to use! It is what it is... people get mad @ everything.. they&#039;ll get mad @ a cheeseburger. they walk around dragging their feelings on a long string behind them, &amp; get surprised &amp; offended when someone steps on it. The designs were tight! So who in their right minds would trip? Some Africans get mad at our African American counterparts for whatever they do.(no matter how good it is) You would be a fool to let these haters stop you, you better keep doing your thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like it! and as an African Man.. I say f&amp;++ck it! Tribal is the exact word to use! It is what it is&#8230; people get mad @ everything.. they&#8217;ll get mad @ a cheeseburger. they walk around dragging their feelings on a long string behind them, &amp; get surprised &amp; offended when someone steps on it. The designs were tight! So who in their right minds would trip? Some Africans get mad at our African American counterparts for whatever they do.(no matter how good it is) You would be a fool to let these haters stop you, you better keep doing your thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia Grannum</title>
		<link>http://clutchmagonline.com/fashion/tribal-chic-designers-to-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-25352</link>
		<dc:creator>Patricia Grannum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, I really love the designers you&#039;ve chosen especially Baruch. I also design a collection of ethnic-inspired jewelry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, I really love the designers you&#8217;ve chosen especially Baruch. I also design a collection of ethnic-inspired jewelry.</p>
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		<title>By: ceecee</title>
		<link>http://clutchmagonline.com/fashion/tribal-chic-designers-to-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-25327</link>
		<dc:creator>ceecee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Yvette, I get what you&#039;re trying to say but sonique just brought to light an issue that bothers people, now you know not to use that word carelessly, if she had emailed you probably never would have known.
I think the bottom line here is ladies let your speech be seasoned with grace, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

And Dede, thank you for changing the title of the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Yvette, I get what you&#8217;re trying to say but sonique just brought to light an issue that bothers people, now you know not to use that word carelessly, if she had emailed you probably never would have known.<br />
I think the bottom line here is ladies let your speech be seasoned with grace, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.</p>
<p>And Dede, thank you for changing the title of the article.</p>
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		<title>By: Yvette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yvette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 08:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Sonique You know what makes me mad.  Is how came in and made a positive profile for new and emerging designers that Clutch was trying to highlight and ruined the vibe of the piece by making assumptions (the assumption that tribal can&#039;t be used when describing ethnic/african prints) and not emailing Clutch directly to voice your concern.  

I actually saw Tribal Chic in Vogue before to describe African prints.  Ethic or Tribal - there are tribes all over the world - not just Africa. I sure didn&#039;t know tribal was a bad word - and I am sure Clutch and other Black Americans didn&#039;t know as well.  You have to realize not everyone knows what Africans (especially those who don&#039;t have any family there or most of us in America don&#039;t know our African family/linage) like or don&#039;t like.  Most of us here in the states just don&#039;t know - what words that Africans are offended by - I sure wouldn&#039;t have thought &quot;tribal&quot; was one.)  

It&#039;s hard enough for these designers to get the recognition they deserve and for you to come in an make a statement about a word that MOST Americans would see nothing wrong with.  It was not meant negative or as a fad it describe the patterns elements.

I swear I dont know how Clutch deals with some of their readers.  They try so hard to put something out that&#039;s different and fresh and it&#039;s no satisfying some of you.  You know this site.  They have never did anything to down or highlight women of color in a negative light.

To all of the designers mentioned.  I am sorry that what was supposed to be a great pieces turned sour.

And Sonique - I am disappointed in you for assuming that everyone knows what you are talking about.  And coming in a positive piece for these emerging designers and bring a issue up that if you would have just EMAILED Clutch (instead of making a comment) and explained why the wording may run some Africans the wrong way ---- that would have been best. That way you can EDUCATE people. You need to know that everyone didn&#039;t see a problem with the word and WHY is that?  Cause we didn&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Sonique You know what makes me mad.  Is how came in and made a positive profile for new and emerging designers that Clutch was trying to highlight and ruined the vibe of the piece by making assumptions (the assumption that tribal can&#8217;t be used when describing ethnic/african prints) and not emailing Clutch directly to voice your concern.  </p>
<p>I actually saw Tribal Chic in Vogue before to describe African prints.  Ethic or Tribal &#8211; there are tribes all over the world &#8211; not just Africa. I sure didn&#8217;t know tribal was a bad word &#8211; and I am sure Clutch and other Black Americans didn&#8217;t know as well.  You have to realize not everyone knows what Africans (especially those who don&#8217;t have any family there or most of us in America don&#8217;t know our African family/linage) like or don&#8217;t like.  Most of us here in the states just don&#8217;t know &#8211; what words that Africans are offended by &#8211; I sure wouldn&#8217;t have thought &#8220;tribal&#8221; was one.)  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard enough for these designers to get the recognition they deserve and for you to come in an make a statement about a word that MOST Americans would see nothing wrong with.  It was not meant negative or as a fad it describe the patterns elements.</p>
<p>I swear I dont know how Clutch deals with some of their readers.  They try so hard to put something out that&#8217;s different and fresh and it&#8217;s no satisfying some of you.  You know this site.  They have never did anything to down or highlight women of color in a negative light.</p>
<p>To all of the designers mentioned.  I am sorry that what was supposed to be a great pieces turned sour.</p>
<p>And Sonique &#8211; I am disappointed in you for assuming that everyone knows what you are talking about.  And coming in a positive piece for these emerging designers and bring a issue up that if you would have just EMAILED Clutch (instead of making a comment) and explained why the wording may run some Africans the wrong way &#8212;- that would have been best. That way you can EDUCATE people. You need to know that everyone didn&#8217;t see a problem with the word and WHY is that?  Cause we didn&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: sonique</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The aesthetic of the fabric is a far cry from tribal. These are modern designs on African print. Just like the word &quot;ghetto&quot; evokes many negative stereotypes, &quot;tribal&quot; reinforces the preconceived notions of primitiveness that many westerners harbor towards Africa. 
 

@Nikki: I grew up in Central Africa and own several outfits made out of dutch wax, to me it&#039;s just not a fashion trend or fad, but my heritage. This is a far cry from &quot;tribal&quot; ceremonial african wear. Heck, it&#039;s what we wear everyday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The aesthetic of the fabric is a far cry from tribal. These are modern designs on African print. Just like the word &#8220;ghetto&#8221; evokes many negative stereotypes, &#8220;tribal&#8221; reinforces the preconceived notions of primitiveness that many westerners harbor towards Africa. </p>
<p>@Nikki: I grew up in Central Africa and own several outfits made out of dutch wax, to me it&#8217;s just not a fashion trend or fad, but my heritage. This is a far cry from &#8220;tribal&#8221; ceremonial african wear. Heck, it&#8217;s what we wear everyday.</p>
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