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		<title>By: Janelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 04:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great piece.  Been here before...</description>
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		<title>By: Chimere B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chimere B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you are what you attract.</description>
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		<title>By: Keta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article came right on time today.  I&#039;m a few weeks from being married for 10 years to a man who&#039;s never been motivated to do anything more than live for the day.  When I think over the comments read here I recognize that the signs have been there all along and I ignored them for one reason or another.  Ten years ago I was in college and working full time, owned a home, and established.  The one thing I didn&#039;t have was love and was out of the dating game for at least 2 years.  I guess you can say that I wanted it all.  Today I wished I would have waited just a little while longer.  This man came into my life and was sweet, funny, made me feel like I was THE one.  After 6 months we were married.  It was a struggle from the very beginning.  Trying to finish college, changing majors, changing jobs a few time to keep the same income (this is me).  Although we were both young ( at the time I was 26, he 24) and had to learn what it truly meant to be in  this partnership and make compromises, what was really required to set the foundation for a successful marriage was never there.  The first 3-4 years saw him going from job to job every couple of months.  Each time I&#039;m still trying to be encouraging asking him to really think about what he wants to do with himself.  Once he remedied that job situation, the infidelity started in.  I never had a problem with him not being college educated and even told him that as long as he keeps some type of employment we would make it work.  I knew my husband was good with his hand and could anything he set his mind too.  I&#039;ve watched him go thru taking a trade to better his chances of changing employment two years in a row only to not finish and decided he didn&#039;t want to do this kind of work after all (althought he started out very enthusiastic about it and many in his family are successful in this field, the end result was he was only thinking about the money and not the long term career investment). It seems every year for at least the last 4 we find ourselves separated because (as he puts it) he&#039;s not happy with this life and doesn&#039;t really know what he wants.  Each time after some time and tension he tells me he does know what he wants and it&#039;s me and our life, I take him back, try to work through it and we start to live out lives again.  This has become a pattern that now is so old it&#039;s unreal.  Each time this has happen he tells me the usual he&#039;s stupid, he&#039;s sorry, his parents didn&#039;t give him enough attention as a child, he was always the ugly kid in school, he’s weak, he’s imperfect, you name it and then he turns around and tells me he loves me and wants to change and to just have faith in him.  Then I dig in work thru my feelings as best I can and just when I&#039;m ready to let my guard down again, we are back here.  To date that I know of there have been as many women as the years we&#039;ve been married...Well the last time was last week when I found out that the latest female he’s cheated on me with he had continued to see and lied about it.  How can a man who irons my clothes, sews my missing buttons back on, ties my Nike’s after I&#039;m dressed, holds my hand while walking around across the street, snuggles me so tight at night, tells complete strangers how much he loves his wife so much, and hold my face in his hands and profess the deepest love to me, actually not feel that way at all?  I’ll tell you how.  It&#039;s a routine he learns to keep you.  This type of man views life as a game and women as a means to an end.  What he really wants is the newest chic with the largest breasts and biggest butt to bed when he feels the need because this is what he considers &quot;the real life&quot;.  Not someone who takes care of his home, building businesses so that they can have a secure future and something to pass on to our children.  I recognize that he did all these things because he knew that I wanted them and he wanted to pacify me.  And the deceit he’s been showing me really are his true colors and I need to pay attention and move on with my divorce proceedings.  My heart and my mind can say that I truly don’t want him anymore and I need to stop inviting this pain into my life and that I will be much better off without him.  But how do I stop mourning the marriage I thought I had? What about this man that I love that apparently only existed in my mind? Sisters and brothers take a lesson from me.  Never at anytime settle for being with someone who cannot match what you are bringing to the table.  If you sit down and have a conversation with someone who you are considering getting into a relationship and you run down you goals for the future and they don’t share with you dreams that are outlined in color walk away.  This person does not deserve your love and your efforts.  This will save you much time and heartache later.  Real love while not perfect will not be this much work.  It just is.  Real love is built on respect for yourself as well as your partner.  It means keeping your word and not hiding behind excuses why you don’t give what you get in a relationship.  It involves two people working toward the same goals and while occasionally one may fall and the other has to pick that one up it will not forever be that way because it will be reciprocated.   This article was very well written has given me a lot to reflect on while my heart and my mind heals.  When I think about the possibility of love again I will definitely keep everyone’s points in mind and learn from my own mistakes next time around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article came right on time today.  I&#8217;m a few weeks from being married for 10 years to a man who&#8217;s never been motivated to do anything more than live for the day.  When I think over the comments read here I recognize that the signs have been there all along and I ignored them for one reason or another.  Ten years ago I was in college and working full time, owned a home, and established.  The one thing I didn&#8217;t have was love and was out of the dating game for at least 2 years.  I guess you can say that I wanted it all.  Today I wished I would have waited just a little while longer.  This man came into my life and was sweet, funny, made me feel like I was THE one.  After 6 months we were married.  It was a struggle from the very beginning.  Trying to finish college, changing majors, changing jobs a few time to keep the same income (this is me).  Although we were both young ( at the time I was 26, he 24) and had to learn what it truly meant to be in  this partnership and make compromises, what was really required to set the foundation for a successful marriage was never there.  The first 3-4 years saw him going from job to job every couple of months.  Each time I&#8217;m still trying to be encouraging asking him to really think about what he wants to do with himself.  Once he remedied that job situation, the infidelity started in.  I never had a problem with him not being college educated and even told him that as long as he keeps some type of employment we would make it work.  I knew my husband was good with his hand and could anything he set his mind too.  I&#8217;ve watched him go thru taking a trade to better his chances of changing employment two years in a row only to not finish and decided he didn&#8217;t want to do this kind of work after all (althought he started out very enthusiastic about it and many in his family are successful in this field, the end result was he was only thinking about the money and not the long term career investment). It seems every year for at least the last 4 we find ourselves separated because (as he puts it) he&#8217;s not happy with this life and doesn&#8217;t really know what he wants.  Each time after some time and tension he tells me he does know what he wants and it&#8217;s me and our life, I take him back, try to work through it and we start to live out lives again.  This has become a pattern that now is so old it&#8217;s unreal.  Each time this has happen he tells me the usual he&#8217;s stupid, he&#8217;s sorry, his parents didn&#8217;t give him enough attention as a child, he was always the ugly kid in school, he’s weak, he’s imperfect, you name it and then he turns around and tells me he loves me and wants to change and to just have faith in him.  Then I dig in work thru my feelings as best I can and just when I&#8217;m ready to let my guard down again, we are back here.  To date that I know of there have been as many women as the years we&#8217;ve been married&#8230;Well the last time was last week when I found out that the latest female he’s cheated on me with he had continued to see and lied about it.  How can a man who irons my clothes, sews my missing buttons back on, ties my Nike’s after I&#8217;m dressed, holds my hand while walking around across the street, snuggles me so tight at night, tells complete strangers how much he loves his wife so much, and hold my face in his hands and profess the deepest love to me, actually not feel that way at all?  I’ll tell you how.  It&#8217;s a routine he learns to keep you.  This type of man views life as a game and women as a means to an end.  What he really wants is the newest chic with the largest breasts and biggest butt to bed when he feels the need because this is what he considers &#8220;the real life&#8221;.  Not someone who takes care of his home, building businesses so that they can have a secure future and something to pass on to our children.  I recognize that he did all these things because he knew that I wanted them and he wanted to pacify me.  And the deceit he’s been showing me really are his true colors and I need to pay attention and move on with my divorce proceedings.  My heart and my mind can say that I truly don’t want him anymore and I need to stop inviting this pain into my life and that I will be much better off without him.  But how do I stop mourning the marriage I thought I had? What about this man that I love that apparently only existed in my mind? Sisters and brothers take a lesson from me.  Never at anytime settle for being with someone who cannot match what you are bringing to the table.  If you sit down and have a conversation with someone who you are considering getting into a relationship and you run down you goals for the future and they don’t share with you dreams that are outlined in color walk away.  This person does not deserve your love and your efforts.  This will save you much time and heartache later.  Real love while not perfect will not be this much work.  It just is.  Real love is built on respect for yourself as well as your partner.  It means keeping your word and not hiding behind excuses why you don’t give what you get in a relationship.  It involves two people working toward the same goals and while occasionally one may fall and the other has to pick that one up it will not forever be that way because it will be reciprocated.   This article was very well written has given me a lot to reflect on while my heart and my mind heals.  When I think about the possibility of love again I will definitely keep everyone’s points in mind and learn from my own mistakes next time around.</p>
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		<title>By: Rashana Hooks</title>
		<link>http://clutchmagonline.com/lifeculture/feature/not-enough-for-himself/comment-page-1/#comment-17143</link>
		<dc:creator>Rashana Hooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 03:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article Angel! I&#039;m glad you touched on this common yet silent issue. Just think if every woman was to raise their standards like this..how different the men will be in this world..black or white!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Angel! I&#8217;m glad you touched on this common yet silent issue. Just think if every woman was to raise their standards like this..how different the men will be in this world..black or white!</p>
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		<title>By: Msknowitall</title>
		<link>http://clutchmagonline.com/lifeculture/feature/not-enough-for-himself/comment-page-1/#comment-17138</link>
		<dc:creator>Msknowitall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 01:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting topic that I recently had with a guy im dating.. Im 25, beautiful, single, and educated. Men that I meet are often intimidated with my tangible possessions and want to &quot;gal&quot; me ASAP! Definite turn off!! It is unfortunate that most of our selection pool is behind bars but its the reality we live in and the reason why so many black women settle. My bar is pretty high when it comes to partner material. A man does not have to be a degree holder but at least have some substance in conversation and life in general. Angers me when guys who they themselves know are not on my level yet they still try to holla! Considering the fact that @ least 60% of marriages end in divorce due to finances I am not interested in the low colla brother. Black men are indeed at the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to jobs and promotions but thats where self reliance comes in. Be creative in generating additional income and stop complaining  of how bad you have it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting topic that I recently had with a guy im dating.. Im 25, beautiful, single, and educated. Men that I meet are often intimidated with my tangible possessions and want to &#8220;gal&#8221; me ASAP! Definite turn off!! It is unfortunate that most of our selection pool is behind bars but its the reality we live in and the reason why so many black women settle. My bar is pretty high when it comes to partner material. A man does not have to be a degree holder but at least have some substance in conversation and life in general. Angers me when guys who they themselves know are not on my level yet they still try to holla! Considering the fact that @ least 60% of marriages end in divorce due to finances I am not interested in the low colla brother. Black men are indeed at the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to jobs and promotions but thats where self reliance comes in. Be creative in generating additional income and stop complaining  of how bad you have it.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel</title>
		<link>http://clutchmagonline.com/lifeculture/feature/not-enough-for-himself/comment-page-1/#comment-17097</link>
		<dc:creator>Angel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To X and Dissappointed...

Thank you for the comments. Where I met this guy was in the amongst successful people.  The shared friend he and I have is  extremely successful. The environment that I am in is comprised of a multitude of people who are either at the top of their game or on their way there so it&#039;s not where I met him.  

This guy, this individual, does not value himself or better yet does not push himself to his fullest potential.  I have spoken with him recently just to see if I may have been hard on him and find that I wasn&#039;t.  I tried to &quot;encourage and uplift&quot; him but fact of the matter is, is he doesn&#039;t see a problem or the issue with the things he does regarding his priorities.  If I am taking care of business and working on my future be it school or working the standard 9-5, I want a man who is doing the same.  WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH THAT!  Black men or lazy men no matter what color they are use a woman&#039;s success as an excuse to be mad because our success is reflection of their will do&#039;s and wanna do&#039;s that never got done and are piling up in the bullshit corner .  The funny thing is with his ex, he said that ever since she passed her certification she started acting funny. Like she was all that because she was tired of carrying his ass because the 500 dollars made from side jobs was not covering it.
Are we acting funny or is he now feeling shitty because we&#039;ve bust our asses for umpt number of years to finish our programs while he been doing bs side jobs to make ends meet because he won&#039;t find something that benefits him and his own life. 
I LOVE my BLACK men and I do believe that we are unit, (A UNIT - AN EQUAL OF TWO BECOMING ONE)but there comes a time when a man has to be a man and grow up.  At 32, you should be taking life seriously and working on what you are going to do at 40, 50, 60. Not still trying to pay rent  when you only been paying half the rent for the last year and a half.  You should have something saved up. It&#039;s called SAFETY   Its called responsibility and if he or any other males don&#039;t have them or neglect them and insist on making me feel bad because of his faults and life issues then you&#039;re right I won&#039;t support or give any of myself to them because they don&#039;t deserve me or any other Queen no matter what race you are.  

Thank you, god bless and good night. : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To X and Dissappointed&#8230;</p>
<p>Thank you for the comments. Where I met this guy was in the amongst successful people.  The shared friend he and I have is  extremely successful. The environment that I am in is comprised of a multitude of people who are either at the top of their game or on their way there so it&#8217;s not where I met him.  </p>
<p>This guy, this individual, does not value himself or better yet does not push himself to his fullest potential.  I have spoken with him recently just to see if I may have been hard on him and find that I wasn&#8217;t.  I tried to &#8220;encourage and uplift&#8221; him but fact of the matter is, is he doesn&#8217;t see a problem or the issue with the things he does regarding his priorities.  If I am taking care of business and working on my future be it school or working the standard 9-5, I want a man who is doing the same.  WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH THAT!  Black men or lazy men no matter what color they are use a woman&#8217;s success as an excuse to be mad because our success is reflection of their will do&#8217;s and wanna do&#8217;s that never got done and are piling up in the bullshit corner .  The funny thing is with his ex, he said that ever since she passed her certification she started acting funny. Like she was all that because she was tired of carrying his ass because the 500 dollars made from side jobs was not covering it.<br />
Are we acting funny or is he now feeling shitty because we&#8217;ve bust our asses for umpt number of years to finish our programs while he been doing bs side jobs to make ends meet because he won&#8217;t find something that benefits him and his own life.<br />
I LOVE my BLACK men and I do believe that we are unit, (A UNIT &#8211; AN EQUAL OF TWO BECOMING ONE)but there comes a time when a man has to be a man and grow up.  At 32, you should be taking life seriously and working on what you are going to do at 40, 50, 60. Not still trying to pay rent  when you only been paying half the rent for the last year and a half.  You should have something saved up. It&#8217;s called SAFETY   Its called responsibility and if he or any other males don&#8217;t have them or neglect them and insist on making me feel bad because of his faults and life issues then you&#8217;re right I won&#8217;t support or give any of myself to them because they don&#8217;t deserve me or any other Queen no matter what race you are.  </p>
<p>Thank you, god bless and good night. : )</p>
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		<title>By: Jewel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jewel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 06:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great article! There are some things we simply cannot ignore. . . even in the midst of lust/infatuation/like. I hold myself to the same standards that I expect the guys I date to meet, and I don&#039;t really see anything wrong with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great article! There are some things we simply cannot ignore. . . even in the midst of lust/infatuation/like. I hold myself to the same standards that I expect the guys I date to meet, and I don&#8217;t really see anything wrong with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Disappointed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Disappointed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>X you have some excellent points.  Seems once alot of black women get their degrees,and to the place they want to be in life, they tend to look down on our brothers, instead of trying to encourgae and uplift.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>X you have some excellent points.  Seems once alot of black women get their degrees,and to the place they want to be in life, they tend to look down on our brothers, instead of trying to encourgae and uplift.</p>
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		<title>By: X</title>
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		<dc:creator>X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good piece. A Lot true but you have to realize we are in this together. Men for ever in a day have been taking care of women for ever in a day. You women have made leaps and bounds but realize the glass celling over your head is not as low as a black mans. No one is. No excuses I have made it for myself married 8 years 5 kids and I kill myself to support them financially mentally emotionally. I am in management with no degree and cleared 73k last year as a commissioned based salesman. I am no baller but for me at 32 I have done right by myself I make more by myself than a 2 income family in most part of America.

I think more people should take responsibility for their decisions in who they choose to keep company with. You are just as much at fault as he because you did not see past your infatuation when making your decision. I would bet there was a suitable black male positioning you but you probably passed him up for the cool guy that turns out to be a nothing. I used to blame you black women. Which I feel most are gold diggers selfish with their hand out always wanting to know what I have accomplished as a man but besides these degrees have nothing to show for there empty degree holding lives. I realized it was the type of women I was keeping company with. It wasn&#039;t the females fault they were nothing, it was my fault for messing with nothing females. I too was infatuated but these are decisions we make as these supposed more intelligent than the ones we down.

To end this RANT I would be willing to bet my left arm the reason you run into these type of dudes is your environment. I bet you that your close friends and family resemble exactly what you seem to despise. Change you environment get out of LA county I have noticed since I left there are a lot of good black people men and women it just seems most leave  for a pursuit of a different style of life. Last but not least this is not a bash I have 4 daughters and respect your struggle without typing forever know we are in this struggle together SeEK THE POSITIVE NOT THE NEGETIVE. Always remember we have to put the past to the past and leave the finger pointing to the politicians. BLACK MEN AND WOMEN HAVE TO UPLIFT EACH OTHER.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good piece. A Lot true but you have to realize we are in this together. Men for ever in a day have been taking care of women for ever in a day. You women have made leaps and bounds but realize the glass celling over your head is not as low as a black mans. No one is. No excuses I have made it for myself married 8 years 5 kids and I kill myself to support them financially mentally emotionally. I am in management with no degree and cleared 73k last year as a commissioned based salesman. I am no baller but for me at 32 I have done right by myself I make more by myself than a 2 income family in most part of America.</p>
<p>I think more people should take responsibility for their decisions in who they choose to keep company with. You are just as much at fault as he because you did not see past your infatuation when making your decision. I would bet there was a suitable black male positioning you but you probably passed him up for the cool guy that turns out to be a nothing. I used to blame you black women. Which I feel most are gold diggers selfish with their hand out always wanting to know what I have accomplished as a man but besides these degrees have nothing to show for there empty degree holding lives. I realized it was the type of women I was keeping company with. It wasn&#8217;t the females fault they were nothing, it was my fault for messing with nothing females. I too was infatuated but these are decisions we make as these supposed more intelligent than the ones we down.</p>
<p>To end this RANT I would be willing to bet my left arm the reason you run into these type of dudes is your environment. I bet you that your close friends and family resemble exactly what you seem to despise. Change you environment get out of LA county I have noticed since I left there are a lot of good black people men and women it just seems most leave  for a pursuit of a different style of life. Last but not least this is not a bash I have 4 daughters and respect your struggle without typing forever know we are in this struggle together SeEK THE POSITIVE NOT THE NEGETIVE. Always remember we have to put the past to the past and leave the finger pointing to the politicians. BLACK MEN AND WOMEN HAVE TO UPLIFT EACH OTHER.</p>
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		<title>By: tremaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>tremaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to echo what AroundHarlem said, I&#039;m sure we&#039;ve all been in this predicament and it&#039;s good that u realized this early. Good article, great subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to echo what AroundHarlem said, I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;ve all been in this predicament and it&#8217;s good that u realized this early. Good article, great subject.</p>
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