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Black Girl Docs: ‘Black Woman Walking’ by Tracey Rose

Sunday Dec 28, 2008 – By Clutch

Ladies — is this a regular issue for you? To the guys, is this your approach? If so, why?

For more information about Tracey Rose please visit www.traceyrose.net.

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  1. liz liz says:

    yes, and i HATE it. I used to get this a lot by guys in my neighborhood when i was 12. I didn’t dress like a video vixen, I didn’t act like one either. i was a bookworm athlete, yet and still dudes driving by or walking by felt the need to whistle and cat call me from their cars. It was annoying and I think in some ways damaging. I am still trynna work through those issues lol.

  2. miss smith miss smith says:

    I remember when I was 13/14, I had really low self-esteem and I would sometimes get dressed in my booty shorts in the summertime just to go walking down Tweedy Blvd. with my best friend. I welcomed the harassment, cat calls and honks from the street.

    Now I’m much more self-loving. And I don’t understand it. I really relate to the part about it not mattering what you wear! HAHAHA! I’m for the most part very fun loving and very nice (too nice) so my rejection of the harassment is usually with a smile. That makes it worse! I have to be in a really pissed off mood. Or resolve myself to put on an angry face in order to avoid the nastiness thrown at me walking doing the street.

    I think in New York it’s just so much more pronounced too because everyone walks everywhere. There is no safe place, to put it bluntly. But I also know the behavior to be from brown faced men in general not just black men.

  3. miss smith miss smith says:

    I would also like to add that if a black man is in his element socially, I rarely see any kind of discrimination of race. It happens to my white girlfriends as well. I’m curious if there are any studies done on this anywhere.

  4. Tiffany Tiffany says:

    This happens to all women not just black women

  5. Nuu On Nuu On says:

    You know what is REALLY annoying? Surfing the web and finding yet another article that complains about Black men. This daily, perpetual intellectual assault is on par with dealing with cat calls– except that instead of someone yelling ‘compliments’ you are being overtly Dissed.

    Damn annoying!!

    And as far as unwanted attention is concerned, I’ve heard older Black woman complain of the exact opposite– that is, when they get older they are treated like they don’t exist. I suggest you enjoy the attention while it lasts because soon you may just become invisible.

  6. NinaG NinaG says:

    Verbal harassment, on the street or else where, is NEVER a compliment. This is becoming a serious issue. Google ‘Sakia Gunn’. And she is not the only one. Street harassment, flashing, etc. all of this is a part of rape culture. Thank you Clutch for posting this video. Education is key to preventing sexual assault!

  7. NinaG NinaG says:

    Another thing, check out Latoya Peterson’s essay on Racialicious entitled ‘Not Rape Epidemic’. That is really an amazing piece related to sexual assault and harassment

  8. Ings Ings says:

    “And as far as unwanted attention is concerned, I’ve heard older Black woman complain of the exact opposite– that is, when they get older they are treated like they don’t exist. I suggest you enjoy the attention while it lasts because soon you may just become invisible.”

    What these women were describing was not attention. It was harrassment – cat calling. Attention is a smile, a nod, a greeting – not a “yo shorty with a bootay lemme hollat at you for a second”

    This is such a small clip and this is such a large topic. I googled Sakia Gunn …..sigh, just sigh.

  9. Tyra D. Tyra D. says:

    As far as the video goes, I wish there had been more than 3 women giving their experiences or opinions. In fact, I think the video would have been much more effective by talking to more teenage girls because, honestly, I think they do experience the greatest disrespect. I’ve seen groups of teenage boys (and grown men)be very aggressive in their approach to girls their age, much like the way the girl in the video describes them grabbing her arms, etc.

    I’m glad Miss Smith acknowledged how her low self esteem influenced her to encourage this kind of treatment when she was younger. This is an obvious statement, but boys are still not being shown how to treat women and are still getting the impression that black girls/women are fair game. On the other hand, our girls are still being neglected and some how not getting what they need emotionally in healthy ways. That probably would have been a much more in depth and interesting angle for Tracy to take.

    As for me as a grown woman, I have to say I have not felt disrespected by men on the street. The attention is both verbal and non verbal, no it doesn’t matter what I’m wearing, and it comes from ALL men, not just black men. However, I don’t have a visceral reaction to it. If the guy just stares, then I keep it moving without responding. To date, no one has shouted anything back to me. If my vanity gets the best of me (and a self assured woman is prone to vanity)and I find the “compliment” especially flattering (usually it is), I’ll smile, say thank you, and keep it moving. I have never felt harassed.

    As for Nuu On’s comment, sounds like black men and women are going through the same thing, because I for one am tired of hearing/reading about how black women are angry, non-supportive bitches with attitude who don’t give black men freedom to do, act, and say whatever they want. And further more, I don’t think that there is any woman who lives for the compliments she gets from strangers to make her feel like a person.

  10. Jasmina Jasmina says:

    I’ve seen and experienced this most often (every day) in NYC…much much less in other cities (LA, ATL, Dallas). I’ve experienced the guys that cat call and don’t take it further as you walk past them as well as those that get angry and try to get violent or follow you down the street yelling and cussing. If I do respond to your “Hi” and try to keep it moving, I’ve run the risk of someone trying to follow me all the way home even after I’ve told them I wasn’t interested.

    And for the record (but not to group them all in one class), all of the men have been black/brown men.

  11. Cicely Cicely says:

    I have had to defend myself physically.
    I’ve been grabbed.
    I’ve been humped from behind in clubs while I’m dancing with my girlfriend, and told it was okay because I am a woman.
    I’ve been told that it would be great if I would stand over a man because he’d like a “golden shower”.
    I experience it everyday and am quite militant about it.
    I argue back, tell them off and laugh at these “men” aloud.
    They infuriate me.
    I am an educated woman.
    I dress well.
    I will speak to normal men who do not engage in this type of behavior.
    I am not the property of the men who choose to hang on street corners and comment about my body parts.
    I do not need the comments or “compliments” they give to the body part of their choosing.
    We as women have let this type of behavior go on unchecked for far too long and unless we decide it is not acceptable and tell these “men” that we find their behavior unacceptable, we won’t ever have a respectable relationship with the men who deserve our respect, conversation, and companionship.

  12. Cicely Cicely says:

    P.S.

    I am Black. I can safely say that while I have been approached by men of all races and creeds, by far the most vulgar comments and all of the behaviors I’ve described above have come from Black Men.

  13. P. Elle P. Elle says:

    Honestly the lewdest comments I’ve ever received came from a white man who must have been out his mind because I was dressed like a librarian. I wasn’t inviting anything with provocative clothing.

  14. Michele Michele says:

    I dislike how black men are portrayed in this documentary. I am a Black woman and I personally feel just as uncomfortable walking through a group of white guys as I do black guys. This film generalizes the behavior of black men and gives people even more ammunition to demonize them. I understand an important message is being conveyed (“black men, stop disrespecting and objectifying black women”), but I do not appreciate the tone of it. And the whole issue of women (white or black) not being “scrutinized” as much by white men is not true. If white men aren’t looking/commenting about black women it’s because many automatically ignore them because they’re black. I can’t tell you the number of times I have been treated as if I were invisible by white men; I don’t know what’s worse: being treated like I don’t exist or being treated like a piece of meat…they’re both hurtful! And I have CERTAINLY heard white men speaking disrespectfullly to or about white women (e.g. Just last night in a club I heard one say loudly to his buddy, “Look at the rack on that one!”, etc.) And I’ve experienced rude white male cat calls (the worst was when I was crossing a busy intersection and one yelled from his car “Hey, Tina Turner (my hair was in a big afro), why don’t you come swing it over here!”); just as embarassing coming from them as from black men. Instead of publicizing the ills of our black brethren and simply complaning about each other, a townhall format may be more effective to actually receive results. It would be helpful to hear from black men; we can’t solve any issues if we don’t communicate them to each other first.

  15. Mike Mike says:

    I understand the concern about this issue, there is no excuse for this type of behavior and it sad that a woman should fear walking the streets in broad daylight let alone fear her own kind.

    And while i do not want to come off as, “well white men do it too”, tone of this video is unmistakably bias distracts from the issue by labeling it a black men thing.

    I am not sure where these women on the video or the director hang out at by I have seen with my own eyes vulgar behavior displayed by young of all races.

    Just cause a of low quality and of another race doesnt say it, doesnt mean their not thinking it, it means they are not comfortable approaching a black women on any level.

    Another issue is that while this documented how women feel it did not address the offenders, and challenge them on video about their behavior.

    That would have given more insight on the type of men who do this which I would suspect share the same traits, lower to middle working classif not unemployed, urban, northern cities, basic education, young, and so on.

    A very select group, something I believe the director and producer purposely ignored to engage in what could be seen as racist and sexist journalism.

    They took a serious topic and sabatoged the real issue of sexual harrasment, I question the real purpose of this video.

  16. Nuu On Nuu On says:

    This post was nothing more than a bigoted “literary drive-by,” written by a musician only capable of playing one note: a sour note.

    Sad, yet typical. So drone on– I’m no longer reading or listening.

  17. Lianne Lianne says:

    I remember when I was in college in NYC, it was summertime and I had on a cotton summer dress that came for my knees, not revealing just a nice yellow dress. I was in the 50’s on the west side and I hailed a cab. As I was getting into that cab I was sexually assaulted by a man (he grabbed all of my ass). I turned around to discover he was a black man. As the cab drove away I was in tears, how could a brother do smething like that to me? I didn’t even KNOW him.

    All black men aren’t sex hungry pigs, I KNOW THIS…I love black men. But you GOTTA ADMIT..there are some brothers out there that are making it hard for that stigma to go away. For every beautiful, respectful black man out there there are always two that are the exact opposite. Harassment is not singularly tied to black men either, I don’t think she was trying to single black men out, this has just been this writers experience.

  18. Mike Mike says:

    “I don’t think she was trying to single black men out, this has just been this writers experience.”

    When every other line is, “black men”, than yeah she is singling out black men.

  19. sloane sloane says:

    this is absurd, this video is about the experience of black women, not black men. taking a serious grievance of an oppressed group and twisting it to paint yourself as the victim (NU ONN AND MIKE) or to somehow invalidate the veracity of the message that you are being given is just despicable. statistically women are more likely to be raped by men within their own race, so it stands to reason that they’d be more likely to be sexually propositioned by men within in their own race. so this shit ain’t coming out of nowhere and to talk about sexual harassment between black women and white men is just a red herring to distract from the real topic at hand: sexual harassment of black women at the hands of black men. it is not my job as black woman to sugarcoat the fact that i am being sexually harassed by black men everytime i walk out the door. i have been groped, grabbed, followed across the street at night, physically threatned for refusing advances. i actually had to threaten to call the police on some dudes in car who wouldn’t leave me alone while i waited for a ride at night who were mad because i refused to acknowledge them. i hate calling on other black people especially black men but was afraid these idiots would pull my ass in their car! so i don’t give a fuck about adjusting my tone for YOUR fragile ego. the harassment is real and it’s dangerous: there’s no ambiguity about it, it’s not complimenting a woman, it’s harassment, and sometimes that harassment escalates into violence. it’s a problem that needs to be fixed on the part of black men and wrapping it up in a pretty little box so that it looks better to you isn’t go to fix it. i refuse to be called disloyal because some black men have problems controlling themselves and seeing women as full people deserving of basic courteousy and respect.

  20. Mike Mike says:

    @sloane

    Maybe you didnt read the comments right or looked or listen to the video.

    No where did I say that men who acted this way where “victims” what I CLEARLY said was “tone of this video is unmistakably bias distracts from the issue by labeling it a black men thing.”

    Race was injected into this by the director, cause if they were serious about the issue than they would take this issue to men, the ones conducting these acts in order to get change done.

    And who said anything about being “disloyal”.

    A dude breaks the law he needs to be locked up.

    No one excused the crime.

    It is the method of how the message gets out I am disputing.

    Your reaction is exactly why this video will fall on deaf ears of the people who need to hear it.

  21. Jody Jody says:

    Anytime I see one of these ‘the evil black men do’ pieces I want to vomit. Only black women feel compelled to racialize everything while the rest of the world deal with issues as gender. I dismiss it out of hand.

  22. Miller Miller says:

    I’m a Black male from the UK and would just like to offer some sort of explanation of, what is going through a young mans head as he puts his lips together to utter a phrase like “Ye Baby” in ear shot of a young lady he finds attractive.

    This man is hoping, and genuinely, expecting that if he Whistles at 100 honeys a day, at least 5% of them will turn around and respond to his advances possitivly that 5% of Honeys are waiting for a man to appreciate there beauty and that they have broken the ice in a “socially acceptable” way.

    ofcourse to think that this predatorial, primieval, hunteresque behaviour is “Socially acceptable” tells us one thing.

    5% of young Men are thinking with there little heads instead of there big heads.

    But please Ladies try not to be too hard on this 5% of young Men, as they usually grow up to be quite sensible and considerate members of society. I think!!!

  23. Cindy Cindy says:

    RideABlackCowboy…you need to get a life…(And I bet your handsome black self probably has 3inch dick!….have fun with the low life while you can, loser. This sexy, black, young and educated woman prefers her REAL black man!)

  24. Tracey Tracey says:

    I didn’t the write the description posted there. I just want to point that out because I think it colors the discussion about the intent of the piece.

    Carry on. Thanks.

  25. Clutch Magazine Clutch says:

    Thanks Tracey – we will remove. When we grabbed the video, the description was listed and it stated that it was a description written by you.

    Thanks for clearing that up.

    Dede

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