The University of Phoenix isn’t exactly respected for helping to propel the notion of a higher education. It is no secret that they are built on the premise of tricking the clueless into believing that they are paying for valuable education when in reality their acquired degrees are worthless at best.

Unfortunately they are offering their services to Black students in the form of a partnership with the Thurgood Marshall Scholarship Fund. This new venture will give the University the ability to start teaching students at historically black colleges and universities. This isn’t necessarily good news for students at HBCUs when you consider the less than average reputation the University of Phoenix has garnered within the community of educators.

According to the statistics – Compared to Four-year HBCUs, which has a black graduation rate of 36 percent, Phoenix’s black graduation rate is only 15 percent, even though it still boasts more black graduates than any other institution.

The bottom line is that getting an education is an expensive commitment but nothing is worse than paying an arm and a leg for something that won’t yield fruitful results.

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  • Me

    wait. i have a problem with this: “Four-year HBCUs, which has a black graduation rate of 36 percent”
    why would a predominantly black institution only have a 36% graduation rate for black students?

    • Brad

      One major reason is money. If you looked at the average family income of a lot of back college students it will pale in comparison. Many times students start their education at these colleges and either doesn’t finish or they don’t finish at that particular university.

      Also the hard truth is a lot of times these students are not on scholarship and are paying via loans and out of pocket.

    • Me

      that still would be shocking to find out 74% of hbcu students are dropping out b/c of money. if i was a parent i wouldn’t be pushing my kids to go to a school where 3/4 of their class won’t make it to the stage. that’s nuts. why waste any amount of money on those stats? if that statement is fact, it doesn’t jive w/me at all.

    • Brad

      I don’t know if that is a 6 year graduation rate or a 4 year graduation rate.

      As a parent with a lack of funds no matter where you send your child, if there are going to be money issues then they will persist no matter what the other studnts are doing.

      But, all HBCU’s like all colleges are not measured the same. many HBCU’s have high graduation rates and are above the national average:

      Spelman College – Atlanta, Ga – graduates 77%

      Claflin University – Orangeburg, South Carolina – graduates 44%

      Jackson State University – Jackson, Mississippi – graduates 45%

      Tuskegee University – Tuskegee, Alabama – graduates 46%

      Xavier University of Louisiana – New Orleans, Louisiana – graduates 51%

      Tougaloo College – Tougaloo, Mississippi – graduates 51%

      Fisk University – Nashville, Tennessee – graduates 54%

      Morehouse College – Atlanta, Georgia – graduates 55%

      Hampton University – Hampton, Virginia – graduates 59%

      Howard University – Washington, D.C. – graduates 63%

      Wilberforce University – Wilberforce, Ohio – graduates 83%

    • Me

      those are some really good rates, but for these schools to have such good rates, that would mean a lot, or most of the rest have rates way below 34%, which is the problem. these stats make me feel better about these particular schools, but the national avg makes it hard for me to champion hbcu as an umbrella. i understand if you don’t have the money, you can’t graduate, but not having the money is not what’s alarming. it’s that 76% of the school doesn’t have the money. something’s wrong if you say 76% of our students can’t afford to be here. and something’s even more wrong if you let kids enroll into your school knowing they can’t afford to finish. that makes it seem like you’re really just out to squeeze whatever nickels & dimes you can get outta them for as long as they can stay w/o any real promise of a degree or career to show for it.

    • Brad

      As I said above it’s always been the missions of HBCU’s to try and provide an education to those who would not be accepted other wise.

      In some cases by Law, i.e funding of land grant colleges.

      The thing is that many HBCU’s just like many colleges have lots of remedial courses that are put in place to prepare students that may not be ready. Finacially, well that is a part of the up roar about the Obama admiinstration and the Parent Plus loans fiasco.

    • shell

      My daughter attends Tuskegee and I teach at a predominantly black college. Going to college takes a big financial and personal sacrifice that is a family effort (extended and immediate). I see it every day with my students.A lot them don’t have the necessary resources to complete their education.

    • Brad

      Well your daughter can’t do any better than Tuskegee University that’s for sure(smile).

      Tuskegee University
      C/O 1991

    • Rizzo

      Are students at HBC’s, or predominantly black colleges, eligible to receive financial aide similar to California’s Dream Act or Washington States REAL Hope Act? Are some students attending HBC’s, or predominantly black colleges, eligible for in-state tuition rates similar to the in-state tuition rates for undocumented students?

    • Brad

      “similar to the in-state tuition rates for undocumented students”

      Do they have an in-state tuition that is even lower than the schools in-state tuition?

      College cost is just so high these days, that it is becomming virtually impossible for families with out higher incolmes.

      My mother and father both went off to college, my mother at FAMU and my father to Hampton. Can you even imagine that the were able to go back in the early 50’s with both of there parents being single mothers, working as maids…

    • UMMMMM…I did not see my institution of higher learning listed!

    • Brad

      I think yall should be on that list because yall are at about what 44% after 6 years.

    • Brad

      So that you are aware of the facts (i.e., the rates as disclosed in the article are not endemic to HBCUs), in 2010 these were the 6 yr graduation rates for public colleges in each state (and DC);

      AL 47.5% AK 26.6% AZ 57.1% CA 65.1% CO 53.3% CT 61.5% DE 70.8% DC 7.7% (not a typo) FL 61.4% GA 51.6% HI 47.3% ID 37.8% IL 62.5% IN 49.7% IA 69.4% KS 54.3% KY 46.6% LA 38.8% ME 48.5% MD 62.3% MA 56.4% MI 60.7% MN 56.4% MS 49.9% MO 54.5% MT 42.7% NE 55.7% NV 43.6% NH 65.4% NJ 66.5% NM 40.6% NY 58.1% NC 59.1% ND 48.1% OH 52.9% OK 45.4% OR 54.2% PA 62.1% RI 57.8% SC 59.1% SD 46.7% TN 45.5% TX 49.0% UT 46.9% VT 62.9% VA 68.4% WV 47.4% WI 60.4% WY 53.0%.

      In view of the above facts for the 50 states (and DC), we should all be worried!


    • Me

      omg. DC & AK just made me weep. & you’re right. these are dismal numbers across the board. that said though, even w/those outlier states, it looks like the average is at least 50% nationwide for graduation rates. 34% average across all hbcu’s is still a problem.

    • Brad

      I think they could be a 4 year rate. But, as well as money the sad truth is that a ot of black students are not prepared to go to college. Despite what is said at times HBCU’s are not high schoos with nicer landscaping. They are real life educational institutions with PHD’s teaching classes.

      Many times black students are caught off guard and do not make the transition to college life.

      The reason they are even accepted into aa particular HBCU is. Jarrett L. Carter, of HBCU Digest says:

      “The bugaboo of the H.B.C.U. mission that nobody else wants to accept is that black colleges are charged by mission and by law in many cases to educate a student population that otherwise would not have access to higher education.”

      Many HBCU’s will accept and take on trying to educate black kids that under come from a “three choice” background.

      1) Go to the millitary
      2) Go to some bodies college if you can get accepted
      3) Your 18 now so you have to get out of my house

    • Me

      i get that. yet & still the number of kids that aren’t able to graduate shouldn’t be 2 times as high as the number of kids that are. (i just realized my math has been wrong… i’ve been typing 76% & it’s really 66% LOL… so much for my college ed. ha!) what i’m saying is that schools should be recruiting college ready students. if the problem is that they’re letting anybody in the door, then that needs to be addressed b/c it does nobody any favors to charge kids for wasting their time on material that’s too advanced for them. if the problem is not enough financial aid, then that’s a bigger elephant, but it also raises the question of why hbcu educations are more expensive than pwi educations for black students (assuming the black grad rate at pwi is not as bad as at hbcu). if the problem is black kids aren’t transitioning well at hbcu then it’s on the hbcu to figure out what they need to do to get those kids to switch gears. but we shouldn’t just accept a 34% grad rate like it’s normal just b/c it’s a bunch of black students. that’s not normal at all.

    • ALM247

      Also factor in the fact that some of these large universities have tutoring and study group programs to help these students raise their grades, and the numbers are really messed up.

  • If I’m at an HBCU, why would be the benefit of taking a class offered by the Univ of Pheonix? Wouldn’t the class be offered by the university? Not only that but considering the Univ of Pheonix’s reputation, I wouldn’t enroll in anything offered by them.

  • ALM247

    I’m not surprised. I know someone who was a graduate student who had a VERY bad experience with the University of Phoenix.

    I had a brush with them regarding a possible job opportunity, and my experience was not pleasant. The majority of the panel members were Black men, and they seemly to be extremely biased against confident Black women.

  • Mary Burrell

    “I Am A Phoenix” UGH!

  • mariah asphalt

    Are those statistics actually true? Has anybody checked those statistics? Just asking.